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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE LVI COSAC

Bratislava, Slovakia, 14-15 November 2016

IN THE CHAIR: Mr �½uboš BLAHA, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs, Slovak

Národná rada.

AGENDA:

1. Opening session of the LVI COSAC

- Introductory remarks by Mr �½uboš BLAHA, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs,

Slovak

Národná rada

- Adoption of the agenda

Procedural issues and miscellaneous matters

Information on the results of the Presidential Troika of COSAC

Letters received by the Presidency

- Presentation of the 26th Bi-annual Report of COSAC by Ms Christiana FRYDA,

Permanent Member of the COSAC Secretariat

2. Session 1 - ‘State of Play of the Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union’

Keynote speaker: Mr Robert FICO, Prime Minister of the Slovak Republic

3. Session 2 - ‘Strengthening the role of national Parliaments in the EU’

Keynote speaker: Mr Frans TIMMERMANS, First Vice-President, European Commission

Panellists: Ms Ana BIRCHALL, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs, Romanian

Camera

Deputaţilor,

Mr Gunther KRICHBAUM, Chair of the Committee on the Affairs of the European

Union, German

Bundestag

Moderator: Mr Martin KLUS, Vice-Chair of the European Affairs Committee of the Slovak

Národná rada

Debate

4. Session 3 - ‘The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP): a trade

agreement between the European Union and the United States (and its challenges,

opportunities and risks)’

Keynote speakers: Ms Susan GEORGE, political and social scientist, activist and writer on global

social justice; President of the Transnational Institute, Mr Hiddo HOUBEN, EU Deputy Chief

Negotiator of TTIP; Director, DG Trade of the European Commission

Panellists: Ms Danuta Maria HÜBNER, Chair of the Committee on Constitutional Affairs,

European Parliament, Ms Güler TURAN, Federal Advisory Committee on European Affairs,

Member of the Belgian

Sénat

and Flemish Parliament

Moderator: Ms Brigita SCHMӦGNEROVÁ, former Executive Secretary of the UN Economic

Commission for Europe; former Minister of Finance of the Slovak Republic

Debate

5. Meeting of the Chairpersons of COSAC

- Debate on the draft Contribution of the LVI COSAC

6. Session 4: ‘2016: Energy Union’s “year of delivery” ’

Keynote speaker: Mr Maroš ŠEFČOVIČ, Vice-President of the European Commission for Energy

Union

Panellists: Ms Danielle AUROI, Chair of the European affairs Committee of the French

Assemblée

nationale,

Mr Kalle PALLING, Chair of the European Affairs Committee,

Estonian Riigikogu,

António COSTA SILVA, Member of the European Affairs Committee, Portuguese

Assembleia da

República

Moderator: Ms Zuzana GABRI�½OVÁ, Editor-in-chief of Euractiv.sk

Debate

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7. Session 5: ‘Securing the external borders of the EU in the context of irregular migration’

Keynote speakers: Mr Robert KALIŇÁK, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior of the

Slovak Republic

Panellists: Mr Richárd HÖRCSIK, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs, Hungarian

Országgyűlés,

Mr Lucio ROMANO, Vice-Chair of the Committee on European Affairs Policies,

Italian

Senato della Repubblica

Moderator: Ms Katarína CSÉFALVAYOVÁ, Vice-Chair of the European Affairs Committee of the

Slovak

Národná rada

Debate

8. Adoption of the Contribution of the LVI COSAC

PROCEEDINGS

1. Opening session of the LVI COSAC

1.1

Introductory remarks by Mr �½uboš BLAHA, Chair of the Committee on European

Affairs, Slovak

Národná rada

Mr �½uboš BLAHA, Chair of the European Affairs Committee of the Slovak

Národná rada,

opened

the meeting and invited the plenary to observe a minute of silence in honour of the victims of the

Paris attacks that had taken place on 13 November 2015. He then welcomed the Chairs and

Committee members recently elected.

1.2

Adoption of the agenda

The Chair presented the draft agenda of the LVI COSAC, which was adopted without amendment.

Ms Lolita ČIGᾹNE, Latvian

Saeima,

thanked the Presidency for the possibility given to organise

the side event ‘Mobilization of human capital through innovative legislation’.

1.3

Procedural issues and miscellaneous matters

Information on the results of the Presidential Troika of COSAC

On the draft Contribution, Mr BLAHA explained that, after the Troika meeting the day before, a

new modified document incorporating proposed Troika amendments, as well as all the amendments

received until then,had been circulated. The original text, the amendments and the new modified

draft text, he added, were laid out in a table. He announced that further written amendments to the

draft Contribution would be electronically accepted until 12pm. He clarified that, in case a

delegation did not agree with the compromise text proposed by the Troika and insisted on its

amendment as previously submitted, it would asked to resubmit the amendment in question. The

compromise text and any new amendments would be discussed during the meeting of the

Chairpersons.

Letters received by the Presidency

The Chair referred to the following letters received by the Presidency:



Letter from Mr Jean-Charles ALLA VENA, Head of the Foreign Affairs Committee, and Mr

Christophe STEINER, Speaker of the National Council of the Principality of Monaco,

regarding participation at COSAC. After consultation with the Troika, a letter of invitation

had been sent out.

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

Letter from Mr Pedro AGRAMUNT, President of the Parliamentary Assembly of the

Council of Europe (PACE), regarding participation at COSAC. After consultation with the

Troika, a letter of invitation had been sent out.

Letter from Mr Kalle PALLING, Chair of the European Union Affairs Committee of the

Estonian

Riigikogu,

regarding the informal consultations of the European Union Affairs

Committees of the Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian and Polish Parliaments held in Tallinn on

8-9 September 2016.

Letter from Mr Ondřej BENEŠIK, Chair of the Committee for European Affairs of the

Czech

Polanecká snĕmovna

on the conclusions of the Meeting of the European Affairs

Committees of the Visegrad Group countries held in Velehrad on 3 October 2016.

Regarding the letter from Mr Vannino CHITI, Chair of the Committee on EU policies of the Italian

Senato della Repubblica,

he said he would come back to it at the meeting of the Chairpersons.

1.4

Presentation of the 26th Bi-annual Report of COSAC by Ms Christiana FRYDA,

Permanent Member of the COSAC Secretariat

Mr BLAHA then gave the floor to the Permanent Member of the COSAC Secretariat, Ms Christiana

FRYDA, to present the 26th Bi-annual Report of COSAC. The report consisted of three chapters: 1)

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) between the European Union and the

United States: parliamentary scrutiny of the negotiation process, 2) Energy Union’s “year of

delivery”, 3) Improving the role of national Parliaments.

2. Session 1 - ‘State of Play of the Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union’

Keynote speaker: Mr Robert FICO, Prime Minister of the Slovak Republic

Mr Robert FICO, Prime Minister of the Slovak Republic, welcomed the participants to the plenary

meeting of the LVI COSAC. He reflected on the Bratislava Summit that was organised in

September, which, he added, showed that Slovakia had been a reliable partner. He then mentioned

several key priorities for the Slovak Presidency, amongst others the need of an economic strong

European Union with a functioning banking and monetary union. In this regard, the trust of citizens

was crucial. Furthermore, he reflected on results achieved on the Digital Single Market and Energy

Union priorities. When it came to the asylum and migration policy, Mr FICO stressed that is was

important to keep in mind the strong relation between economies in the world. Summing up several

results of the past months, as well as those expected until the end of the Slovak Presidency,

including amongst others, the taxation package, the European Public Prosecutor's office, the Paris

Climate agreement and the enlargement policies, he concluded that so far the Presidency, despite all

the challenges that arose, could be considered successful.

In the debate that followed, 16 members took the floor. Several focussed on the possible Brexit and

its possible causes as well as effects for the EU. It would have an effect on the whole of Europe, as

was expressed by Mr Terry LEYDEN, Irish

Houses of the Oireachtas.

He urged to keep a special

focus on Ireland as it shared the border with the UK. Ms Colette MÉLOT, French

Sénat

pointed out

the new model of relations with the UK and asked what the results of the Bratislava summit were.

Meanwhile, Ms Rubina BERARDO, Portuguese

Assembleia da República,

stressing the importance

of trust and building confidence as was shown during the Bratislava Summit, pointed out the need

for concrete measures, for example to tackle youth unemployment. Mr Karlheinz KOPF, Austrian

Nationalrat,

mentioned the need for the EU to take into account the tremendous changes in society

and concerns of citizens, underlining the role of national Parliaments. At the same time, according

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to Mr Ignacio SÁNCHEZ, Spanish

Congreso de los Diputados,

the movement for Brexit showed

the European Commission had to play a role in order to balance the Council, where Member States

were pursuing their own interest.

Another topic mentioned by many was the migration crisis. As the EU was on crossroads and it was

clear that safety and security were key elements in solving the crisis, Yiorgos LILLIKAS, Cyprus

Vouli ton Antiprosopon,

stressed that now the political will to act was needed and asked for full

implementation of the EU-Turkey agreement.

Mr Richárd HÖRCSIK, Hungarian

Országgyűlés,

expressed general support for the priorities of the

Slovak Presidency, including, amongst others, the progress on enlargement of the EU, a sentiment

which was echoed by Ms Elvira KOVACS, Serbian

Narodna skupština.

Mr HÖRCSIK asked the

outcome of the referendum in Hungary to be respected; it showed that a mandatory mechanism in

tackling the migration crisis was not the right instrument, as having control of the borders should

be. Mr Gunter KRICHBAUM, German

Bundestag,

pointed out that solidarity was needed in order

to tackle problems, adding that it was not something to call upon only when it served particular

interests. Solidarity went, he continued, hand in hand with commitments. According to Mr Luciano

BUSSUTIL, Maltese

Kamra tad-Deputati,

the question was whether all embraced the same concept

of solidarity, as it was an essential element in the approach to the problem. Mr Malik AZMANI,

Netherlands

Tweede Kamer,

asked the Presidency on the progress made on the dossier of migration,

as well as on the asylum system.

A few members pointed to the situation in Turkey, expressing their concerns on the situation there.

For example, Mr Simon SUTOUR, French

Sénat,

expressed that focus on Turkey was needed, as

the country was abandoning core democratic values, while it should respect the rights of minorities.

Ms Zehra TAŞKESENLİOĞLU, Turkish

Türkiye Büyük Millet Meclisi,

stressed that her country

had always respected the Rule of Law when taking measures against the coup attack and against

terrorists that were acting against democracy.

Ms Valeria CARDINALI, Italian

Senato della Repubblica,

referred to the recent earthquakes in

Italy, and while expressing gratitude for the support received, she asked for solidarity and flexibility

in applying the rules of the Stability and Growth pact.

In his reply to the questions raised, Mr FICO underlined the importance of the Bratislava Summit,

which delivered a roadmap with priorities that needed a follow-up. On the Brexit issue, it was

agreed that a new model was needed for the relation between the EU and the UK, with Norway and

Switzerland serving as examples. He stressed that there should be no cherry picking politics; the

four basic freedoms should not be subject to negotiation.

Mr FICO pointed out that the EU had focussed too much on its own problems and much work was

needed in order to achieve the results of the EU2020 strategy. Keeping promises to EU citizens was

key when tackling issues like migration. He concluded that the US elections showed that the world

differed from how the media pictured it; it was necessary to proceed in a different way. He stressed

that solutions in the EU could not be found in picking individual topics like unemployment hoping

it would solve everything. National Parliaments played a key role, and closer cooperation between

legislative and executive forces was crucial.

In addition to the answers given by Mr FICO, Mr Ivan KORČOK, Plenipotentiary of the

Government for the Slovak Presidency in the Council of the EU, replacing Mr FICO who had to

attend other urgent obligations, focussed on sustainable migration and asylum policy. As migration

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was not new, the real problem was the total loss of border control. The Slovak Presidency relied on

three main principles in finding a solution: first, on having functioning control of the EU’s external

borders; second, on tackling the root causes of migration; and third on using solidarity in an

effective way.

He confirmed that a dialogue between the EU and Turkey was needed more than ever before, not

only on the EU-Turkey agreement, but also on, for example, topics such as the rule of law and

media. Furthermore, he stated that the USA was the EU’s closest ally when it came to external

issues, and it was necessary for the EU to formulate their interests.

Mr KORČOK concluded by stressing that more than ever there was a need for stronger engagement

of Parliaments and for communication with the public.

3. Session 2 - ‘Strengthening the role of national parliaments in the EU’

Keynote speaker: Mr Frans TIMMERMANS, First Vice-President, European Commission

Panellists: Ms Ana BIRCHALL, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs, Romanian

Camera

Deputaţilor,

Mr Gunther KRICHBAUM, Chair of the Committee on the Affairs of the European

Union, German

Bundestag

Moderator: Mr Martin KLUS, Vice-Chair of the European Affairs Committee of the Slovak

Národná rada

After a short introduction by the Chair, Mr TIMMERMANS started with remarks on the situation

the EU was facing. He pointed out that the whole world was changing and the EU needed to adapt

to these changes. There would be many challenges, including different jobs requiring different skills

in the future, he added. Together with these challenges there was a shift in the expectations of EU

citizens to which the EU would need to react. National Parliaments, as home to some of the closest

elected representatives, should be involved in this process.

Mr TIMMERMANS stressed that the European Commission within its current mandate had been

very serious about listening to and visiting national Parliaments over its term. He continued with an

example of the latest “yellow card” on the posting of workers, whereby, according to the Vice-

president, the European Commission prepared an extensive response tackling the concerns of the

national Parliaments, and not merely those concerning subsidiarity, but also with regard to political

issues.

When addressing the involvement of Parliaments in the legislative dialogue, he specifically

mentioned key tools of a better law making process - external stakeholder input, early stage

involvement and REFIT platform of the European Commission. It would be sometimes better to

look back and review the existing legislation, which was sometimes forgotten in the process, added

the Commissioner. Mr TIMMERMANS tackled the issue of clear responsibility, which would help

to communicate the legislative acts to citizens better. The relation between the rule of law,

democracy and human rights was key to the functioning of the EU, he stressed. The true essence of

democracy was respect for minorities and diversity.

The moderator, Mr Martin KLUS, Vice-chair of the Committee on European Affairs of the Slovak

Národná rada,

introduced the panellists and raised a few questions regarding the provisions of the

so-called “red card” mechanism, which were part of the void EU - UK deal, the better inclusion of

national Parliaments’ perspective by the EU institutions and on whether the national Parliaments

should follow the Brexit negotiation process in an institutionalised and joint way.

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The first panellist, Ms Anna BIRCHALL, Vice-chair of the Committee on European Affairs, of the

Romanian Romanian

Camera Deputaţilor,

did not see any reason for using the “red card”

mechanism, which, according to her, would not make any difference to the role of national

Parliaments. It was the attitude which needed to change, taking into consideration the concerns of

national Parliaments by visiting and explaining the positions, she added. Ms BIRCHALL expressed

her support to the European Commission in its effort and stated that no treaty change was required.

She remarked that the actual rejection of the currently triggered “yellow card” on the posted

workers directive could result in overall scepticism towards these established procedures.

Mr Gunther KRICHBAUM, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs of the German

Bundestag,

as the second panellist, pointed to the differences in working procedures of the national

Parliaments, specifying that some had entire departments involved in the EU issues, including an

office in Brussels, while some had barely some personnel involved. He raised the question whether

the COSAC platform was used to its full potential and suggested that the Presidency should have

flexibility on introducing current issues in the programme of the meeting. Mr KRICHBAUM

voiced his criticism aimed at delegates reading their written statements, supporting that COSAC

should remain a free forum of debate. Developing on working methods, he mentioned that the

German

Bundestag

had direct influence on the federal government in relation to EU issues. In

relation to questions raised by the moderator, he said that the national Parliaments needed to

cooperate more with the European Parliament, mentioning the current case of establishing the

scrutiny procedure for EUROPOL. Mr KRICHBAUM mentioned that the national Parliaments were

not only intermediaries, but also the guarantors of democratic legitimacy.

Thirty-seven participants intervened in the debate.

Many speakers concentrated on the issue of increasing trust in the EU following the UK referendum

Solidarity was the key to the current challenges, according to Ms Regina BASTOS, Portuguese

Assembleia da República,

and there was a need for the EU to act as a leader to recover the trust.

Higher transparency in financial area was required, Ms BASTOS added. Mr Gerard

GRAUGHWELL, Irish

Houses of the Oireachtas,

called for a deal with the UK without disturbing

the relations and the treaties, as an acceptable solution for all involved. This was supported by Lord

Timothy BOSWELL, UK

House of Lords.

Mr GRAUGHWELL urged politicians to be good

Europeans in order to fight against populism.

During the Bratislava Parliamentary Summit the loss of confidence was identified, remarked Mr

Anastasios KOURAKIS, Greek

Vouli ton Ellinon,

remarked that the loss of confidence was

identified during the Bratislava Parliamentary Summit, adding that more signals might be heard in

the future, and that it was therefore necessary to draw lessons from Brexit. Unpredictability of the

electorate in recent period was identified as a phenomenon by Mr Kamal Izidor SHAKER,

Slovenian

Državni Zbor.

The trust in the EU within the post Brexit context was raised as important

for Mr Georgios KAROULLAS, Cyprus

Vouli ton Antiprosopon.

In order to bridge the democratic

gap, national Parliaments needed to cooperate and work for EU citizens, starting from the beginning

of the legislative process, Mr Konstantinos EFSTATHIOU, Cyprus

Vouli ton Antiprosopon,

noted.

According to Sir William CASH, UK

House of Commons,

the increase in trust would be needed to

overcome the democratic crisis. Mr Jokin BILDARRATZ, Spanish

Senado,

thought that focussing

on the interests of citizens rather than those of states, as well as listening to citizens were both

required for the EU’s transformation. The citizens would like to see their expectations reflected into

actions, said Ms Danielle AUROI, French

Assemlée nationale,

and was supported by Mr Richárd

HÖRCSIK, Hungarian

Országgyűlés.

Mr Jaak MADISON, Estonian

Riigikogu,

when referring to

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the functioning of the EU, pointed out that in the EU it was only certain political parties and certain

countries who were dominating EU politics and that the needs of British people were not reflected.

Ms Danuta Maria HÜBNER, European Parliament, stressed that the desire to build a greater

responsibility was present and that the national Parliaments were closer to EU citizens, which could

help promote the European issues and make them aware of the importance of EU elections too.

Centralised decision-making process’ efforts after the Lisbon Treaty were one of the responsible

factors for the current situation, said Mr Tibor BANA, Hungarian

Országgyűlés.

Mr Peter LUYKX,

Belgian

Chambre des représentants,

noted that minorities should be shown respect, but that these in

turn had to respect the results of election results, while referring to the EU as a puzzle of identities.

The EU would need to be made legitimate to its citizens in order to guarantee its future, expressed

Ms Anneta KAVVADIA,

Greek Vouli ton Ellinon.

A recurring topic was the “yellow card”, the proposed “green card” and a possible “red card”. Some

speakers stated that there was no need for another (red) card instrument (Mr BENEŠÍK, Mr

KOURAKIS), as it would make the process more complicated (Mr Philippe MAHOUX, Belgian

Sénat),

with one speaker referring to it as a “drama piece” (Mr Miguel TIAGO, Portuguese

Assembleia da República).

They would rather see the “green card” explored (Mr KAROULLAS

and Ms Marietta KARAMANLI, French

Assemblée nationale)

as a tool of cooperation between the

national Parliaments and the European Parliament (Ms MÉLOT) to boost the EU policies (Mr

KOURAKIS); the example of food waste legislation was used as a reference (Ms AUROI).

The disappointment with the most recent “yellow card” was voiced by Mr Jarosław OBREMSKI,

Polish

Senat,

and Ms Izabela KLOC, Polish

Sejm,

who mentioned the defence of workers’ rights of

only eleven countries in the revision. Empathy in this case was required, said Mr Ondřej BENEŠÍK,

Czech

Poslanecká Sněmovna;

he appreciated the attitude of the European Commission, though the

answers to the “yellow card”, according to him, were vague.

As to the COSAC meetings and the cooperation among Parliaments, according to Ms Åsa

ROMSON, Swedish

Riksdag),

Mr Anne MULDER, Dutch

Tweede Kamer,

and Mr MADISON, the

cooperation between the national Parliaments could be further improved. Ms ČIGᾹNE thought that

reviewing practices in COSAC and introducing debates on hot topics, as well as listening to

colleagues’ opinions could help in this improvement. Tackling the frequency of COSAC meetings,

Mr Yves POZZO DI BORGO, French

Sénat,

said that this platform deserved more frequent

meetings given the importance of national Parliaments’ voice. The lack of sharing best practices

and differences in opinions among Parliaments and governments should be tackled when aiming at

intensifying the dialogue with Parliaments, said Ms KARAMANLI.

According to Mr Giovanni MAURO, Italian

Camera dei Deputati,

the European Commission

should allow more room for national Parliaments when dealing with the migration issue. Extending

the deadline from eight weeks to 10 weeks when reacting to the legislative proposals and sending

these back to national Parliaments was suggested by Mr Stefan SCHENNACH, Austrian

Bundesrat,

who together with Mr SUTOUR voiced their concerns in relation to the delegated acts and

trilogues. These, according to Mr SUTOUR, should be subject to scrutiny by national Parliaments

and thus provide more transparency.

Mr MULDER suggested organising so-called Brussels days for national parliamentarians by the

European Commission, which would enhance the dialogue. The need for more meetings of national

Parliaments was supported by Mr SHAKER.

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Domestic arrangements regarding the work of the committees of European Affairs and scrutiny

mechanisms had the potential to improve the role of national Parliaments according to Ms

ČIGᾹNE. This was echoed by Ms Anne-Mari VIROLAINEN, Finnish

Eduskunta,

giving Finland’s

example, where the government after the Council meetings referred back to all stakeholders

involved; that could be arranged nationally, she added. Mr PRETZELL added that national

Parliaments should demand their right for information. Mr GRANT invited the parliamentarians to

control their ministers better.

Mr Dorin Silviu PETREA, Romanian

Camera Deputaţilor,

remarked that a new communication

strategy for the EU was needed, including frank speech, admitting past mistakes; he stressed that

the national Parliaments were those to lead this initiative to tackle arguments of populists. The rule

of law and democracy were listed as important elements in overcoming the current situation, said

Mr Johannes

HÜBNER, Austrian

Nationalrat;

no cherry picking should be possible, he added in the

context of the UK and Swiss referenda.

In response to the remarks and questions, Vice-president TIMMERMANS expressed the view that

the institutions needed to be re-calibrated. Often, he said, it was not easy to find a balance in

between; some Parliaments expressed support, and others were against specific legislative

initiatives, while the governments within the Council were mostly supportive. Commissioner

THYSSEN’s visit to national Parliaments, he said, aimed at responding to the concerns. In relation

to the “red card”, the Commissioner expressed that this would lead to the end of the community

method and the qualified majority and would make the process fully inter-governmental, which

would eventually result in loss of national Parliaments’ influence. He called for mutual

understanding. The Vice-president informed that he would push for more visits of commissioners in

national Parliaments over the next year to address specific topics. Despite the loss of trust, citizens’

support for policies was evident, and that should be the starting point for moving on with the

debate.

Better communication between the European Commission and national Parliaments was needed,

expressed Ms BIRCHALL in following up on questions from the audience, making a special

reference to the “yellow card”. She underlined the existence of a task for parliamentarians and

Parliaments to regain trust from EU citizens and the new communication strategy could help to

perform such task. Following up on the second round of questions and remarks from the audience,

Ms BIRCHALL expressed her full support for the so-called Brussels day(s) for national

parliamentarians and for more COSAC meetings. Referring to the “yellow card” procedure, she

reflected that it would be better to suspend the legislative procedure while having a dialogue with

national Parliaments, since the current situation might result into feeling that the voices were not

being heard. She suggested that the proposals for discussions be collected and sent to the Maltese

Presidency in order to have a rich debate on the topics in question.

Mr KRICHBAUM stressed that there was a need to understand national Parliaments’ members,

since they did not have the leverage over the European Commission that the European Parliament

had. According to him, the loss of trust and confidence resulted from a perception of globalisation’s

impact; it would be up to the national Parliaments to make sure the globalisation would not be at the

expense of citizens. To prove this, the principles of social Europe should be implemented in trade

treaties, he added. In addition, Mr KRICHBAUM reflected on the need for strong commitment of

politicians taking inspiration from the situation after the WWII. He added that tackling terrorism

and improving security required a unified approach that would be better than a weakening one-by-

one approach, which might be a preferred option by Moscow.

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4. Session 3 - ‘The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP): a trade

agreement between the European Union and the United States (and its challenges,

opportunities and risks)’

Keynote speakers: Ms Susan GEORGE, political and social scientist, activist and writer on global

social justice; President of the Transnational Institute, Mr Hiddo HOUBEN, EU Deputy Chief

Negotiator of TTIP; Director, DG Trade of the European Commission

Panellists: Ms Danuta Maria HÜBNER, Chair of the Committee on Constitutional Affairs,

European Parliament, Ms Güler TURAN, Federal Advisory Committee on European Affairs,

Member of the Belgian

Sénat

and Flemish Parliament

Moderator: Ms Brigita SCHMӦGNEROVÁ, former Executive Secretary of the UN Economic

Commission for Europe; former Minister of Finance of the Slovak Republic

Mr Hiddo HOUBEN, EU Deputy Chief Negotiator of TTIP, Director at DG Trade of the European

Commission, recalled that negotiations were launched in 2013 on the basis of a unanimous and

public mandate from the EU Member States. In addition, this mandate was followed by two

resolutions of the European Parliament. He recalled the fact that trade was one of the funding

policies of the Union and insisted on the fact that for both negotiating parties the goal was to

establish the highest standard agreement. Mr HOUBEN also pointed out that, compared to earlier

similar agreements, the normative aspect in TTIP was a new element. Concerning the regulatory

cooperation, he declared that the aim of the European Commission was to increase the standard of

protection between the two economies. He admitted that differences would remain in a few areas

like food standards, chemicals etc. On the current state of play, Mr HOUBEN reminded that,

although more than half of the technical work had been done and although it was possible to reach

an overall stable and conclusive document before the end of the Obama administration, the difficult

part was about to start. Pointing out that trade policy ought to become a genuine EU policy,

developed by all actors of the EU, he expressed the wish of the European Commission to facilitate a

transparent debate based on facts. Closing his initial remarks, Mr HOUBEN reminded the audience

of the coming adjudication of the EU Court of Justice about the scope of trade policy and about the

competences of the EU, and stressed the fact that the entire exercise of the TTIP negotiations had

been conducted under the oversight of the Council and the European Parliament. Nevertheless, he

admitted that the role of trade had changed and that it was fair to accept that the national

Parliaments played a role in the definition of these kinds of treaties. Furthermore, he recognised a

change of perspective on trade, whereby in the 20th century trade policy was about protection of

producers, while in the 21st century the accent was more on protecting consumers. Mr HOUBEN

concluded by saying that the case for openness of economy and free trade, that had helped reduce

inequalities between countries, had to be won again by better mastering globalisation.

The second keynote speaker, Ms GEORGE, presented what she called a brief ‘Decalogue of

reasons’ to oppose the ongoing TTIP negotiations, while stressing that the reason behind it was not

opposition to the concept of free trade. She named as first reason secrecy stating that the EU had

begun negotiating with a mandate whose authors were unknown and stressed that most information

came from leaks. She then referred to the enormous presence of transnational corporations in the

negotiating process: 93 % of meetings involved them. Ms GEORGE continued that the EU study,

supposedly backing the negotiations, was flawed quoting economist Jeronim Capaldo of TUFTS

University who, using a different economic model, concluded that the agreement would lead to the

loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, considerable loss of labour income and of financial stability.

Enumerating other reasons, Ms GEORGE declared that trade was not the core of the agreement, as

it was essentially about investments. While she declared that she was generally in favour of

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abolishing trade tariffs, she stood in favour of high tariffs in the field of agriculture to protect the

EU farmers from the power of the American agriculture scale. She also mentioned the issue of

geographical indication as a tossing point, claiming that only 13% of the EU geographical

indications were recognised by the US. She justified her opposition, mentioning also the Investor to

State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) system according to which corporates could sue States if the

corporation could claim that its interests expectations, present or future, were not respected or

jeopardised by Sate decisions or action. According to her, the International Court System adopted in

the recent CETA agreement with Canada was the same and did not represent an improvement. She

subsequently declared that, when it came to the regulatory cooperation, the vagueness of the part

hinted more to a bill of rights of corporations. She insisted that as far as rights of workers,

environment laws, etc. the documents produced thus far contained no binding elements. She stated

that taking away from the legislator the capacity to regulate, the capacity to adjudicate from the

judiciary was a concrete threat to democracy. Ms GEORGE also indicated that, if the negotiations

on TTIP went through, there would be an increase in global warming due to unlimited exploitation

of fossil fuels. To conclude, she recalled the self-organised citizen initiative supported by 3.5

million EU citizens from 23 EU Member States opposing TTIP.

The moderator of the debate, Ms Brigita SCHMÖGNEROVÁ, former Executive Secretary of the

UN Economic Commission for Europe; former Minister of Finance of the Slovak Republic asked

the panellists to react to the keynote speeches, in particular on the issue whether it was right to

conclude that TTIP negotiations encountered at this stage only technical problems. Also, she asked

if, after the outcome of the American Presidential elections, it would be correct to say that TTIP

was dead, while for sure the CETA was not.

The first panellist, Ms Danuta Maria HÜBNER, Chair of the EP Committee on Constitutional

Affairs, said that, if it was up to the Americans to decide whether to go on negotiating, the decision

to pause for a while and reflect would be a mutual decision. She conceded that Trump’s

declarations were not in favour of trade agreements, but she stressed that he was not the only player.

Other players were the business community, the research community, etc. Commenting on the

CETA agreement, she said that, although the European Parliament’s consent was scheduled in

December, the lack of clarity concerning the value of many Member States’ additional declarations

may mean that the vote would be postponed. She concluded admitting that all institutional players

had failed to show to EU citizens that globalisation was made for them. She reminded that the last

public debate on trade in general was carried out during the 90s. To her, the current crisis had the

positive effect to have made the debate to take place again.

The second panellist, Ms Güler TURAN, Belgian

Sénat,

also declared that her criticism was not due

to opposition to free trade, which had actually improved the conditions of hundreds of millions of

people, but due to the lack of transparency that reigned in the TTIP negotiations. She expressed the

opinion that the corporate-driven globalisation was out of control, therefore causing the crumbling

support to trade agreements in Europe. The recent Walloon opposition to CETA was, according to

her, motivated by the civil society’s concerns. She appealed fora new start for trade agreements in

the context of a different kind of global economy with ambitious standards against corporate

interests.

Thirty-three Parliamentarians took part in the debate.

In the first round of interventions, participants criticised the TTIP negotiations by mentioning the

issue of transparency and the risks linked to the ISDS system (Mr Stefanos STEFANOU, Cyprus

Vouli ton Antiprosopon),

the fact that the agreement was just a favour to corporates (Mr BANA),

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the unreliable numbers that supported the negotiations and the unwillingness of the European

Commission to accept that things had changed (Ms AUROI), and the undemocratic nature of the

agreement (Ms Anneta KAVADDIA, Greek

Vouli ton Ellinon).

Among those who clearly supported the free trade negotiations with the US, many saw the

agreement as a strategic step for the EU member States. Some insisted on the necessary balance that

the ambitious project must seek, in order to insure a high level of regulatory cooperation, coherence

with other EU policies in terms of geographical indications and food standards (Ms Maria de la

Concepción DE SANTA ANA, Spanish

Congreso de los Diputados).

Others stressed the need to

show the benefits that the agreement negotiated in transparency would bring to the EU citizens,

which was an important task also for the national Parliaments (Ms BIRCHALL). Mr Mats

LUDSTRUM, Finnish

Eduskunta,

regretted the loss of pace in the negotiations and stressed that the

lesson of the CETA debacle should not be wasted. He insisted that public concern had to be taken

into consideration. He underlined the risk that negotiations could be blocked with a view to

increasing their bargaining power. Mr Svein Roald HANSEN, Norwegian

Stortinget,

stressed that

TTIP would have an impact on the single market and that it was imperative to ensure that no

barriers would result between the EU and the EFA countries. Ms KARAMANLI stressed that it was

necessary to ensure that the increase in trade between the EU and US would not lead to decrease of

trade among EU Member States. She also put accent on the need to reinforce safeguards on EU

standards. Ms Colette MÉLOT, French

Sénat,

underlined the fact that by signing such an agreement

the EU and the US would recognise that they were on equal foot. She underlined also the role of

national Parliaments in the adoption of the agreement. She insisted that the agreement should not be

used to grant extraterritoriality to the US legislation. Mr Börje VESTLUND, Swedish

Riksdag,

fully supported fair trade relations, because they were in line with democratic principles. He

stressed that, due to the negotiations, there was an improvement in transparency, standards and

other key objectives of the EU citizens. He stated that the dispute settlement scheme had still to be

developed in order to reassure the EU’s concerns.

Mr Bastiaan VAN APELDOORN, Dutch

Eerste Kamer,

recognised that the TTIP was a

controversial subject. He asked whether Ms GEORGE’s Decalogue applied also to CETA and

wondered if the TTIP would be defined as a mixed agreement. The need to grant full transparency

was voiced also by Mr Maximos CHARAKOPOULOS, Greek

Vouli ton Ellinon.

Mr Dominik

TARCZINSKY, Polish

Sejm,

wondered what the EU would do in case the USA did not change its

stance on the issue of public procurement. He blamed the lack of transparency entirely on the

Commission.

Reacting to the first round of interventions, Mr HOUBEN highlighted that, although President

Trump had made a number of protectionist statements, he never mentioned TTIP. He further

stressed that the EU would be reviewing its position according to the official US statement when it

came. According to him, national Parliaments were free to give their respective governments

whatever indication concerning the mandate of negotiations and that would have an influence in the

process itself. He replied to critical remarks made, among others, on transparency, communicating

with citizens, secret negotiations, lowering standards of protection mentioning the publicity of the

mandate, the oversight of both the Council and the EP, the publicity of the EC position at every

stage of the negotiations, and the reading rooms. Commenting on aspects of trade on agriculture, he

stressed that the EU had a net surplus in trade with US. As far as the geographical indications were

concerned, Mr HOUBEN underlined that it was something the EU could obtain through

negotiations. He also stressed that only by negotiating with the US, could the EU promote trade of

its own products and services. Concluding, he underlined the difference of nature of the

International Court System, which represented a clear improvement compared to the ISDN.

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Ms HÜBNER first stressed the high degree of protection in terms of the EU standards (labour, food

safety, geographic indications, public procurement at all levels, SME) the CETA agreement

represented. She went on underlining that the alternative to the EU-US TTIP agreement would be a

number of bilateral agreements. As far as the transparency of the negotiations, she recalled that the

Chief Negotiator was auditioned by the EP Committee on International Trade before and after each

round and all documents were made public. In her opinion, the ICS was an achievement, as well as

a result of some Member States and of the EP.

Ms TURAN made a short recollection of the recent CETA events referring also to the provisional

entry into force of some parts of the agreement with Canada. She continued stressing that people

opposing TTIP were not supporting trade barriers, but were fighting against the democratic deficit

of the process. She voiced the fear that within TTIP as it looked like at that moment, some

procedures would make the voice of Parliaments irrelevant. She nevertheless acknowledged that

transparency had somewhat improved.

Ms GEORGE warned against believing in a bucolic picture of Canada. She claimed that US

corporates were ruling Canada’s economy and could use CETA to sue the EU governments.

Elaborating about the principle of mutual recognition, she declared that this implied the end of the

precaution principle. She again referred to different economic models according to which the

agreement would provoke a contraction of wages. Her opinion was that the EU citizens ought to

pay special attention to their services which, unless listed specifically, would risk being privatised.

Concluding on the publicity of the mandate, she insisted that it had been leaked and that the name

of the authors were not known.

In the second round of interventions, support for the ongoing negotiations was expressed by Mr

SHAKER, who informed COSAC that the TTIP was object of many debates in his country, and

who stated that the outcome showed the need for the EU to press for the highest transparency

possible. His opinion was that this objective had been reached. Similar support was voiced by Mr

PALLING. Mr Dorin-Mircea DOBRA, Romanian

Senat,

stressed that for the EU, the transatlantic

relations were the most important ones and that they must be consolidated. He underlined the fact

that in the coming years the EU had the opportunity to play a leading role at the global level in such

negotiations. Mr Jukka KOPRA, Finnish

Eduskunta,

expressed full support to the EU negotiators.

He stressed that the citizens had to be taken into account and that the institutions should explain the

negotiations to them. Ms Antonia COSTA SILVA, Portuguese

Assembleia da República,

stated that

for Portugal the agreement was a priority, but should be discussed at length to avoid negative

impact. She concluded indicating the need to ensure a coherent fight against tax heavens. Ms Kate

GREEN, UK

House of Commons,

stressed that the EU had the opportunity, through the

negotiations, to improve the protection of social standards. For Mr GRANT, the TTIP was the

biggest ever test for the EU institutions. Mr Richard KOLS, Lithuanian

Seimas,

reminded everyone

that some 30 Trade agreements had been negotiated and concluded by the EU in the same format,

including with countries like Vietnam, and none had raised opposition. He insisted that a mandate

had been given unanimously by the governments of the Member States to the Commission and that

the Commission was working within the framework traced by the treaties. Mr KRICHBAUM

recalled that free trade agreements always brought benefits to the EU. For him, it was in the EU’s

paramount interest to achieve the end of negotiations; he denounced such a harsh debate at this

point as a sign of growing anti-Americanism. Mr Hannes WEININGER, Austrian

Nationalrat,

blamed the lack of honesty and courage of the politicians when answering to the citizens.

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On the opposite side, Mr Franc TRČEK, Slovenian

Državni zbor,

expressed the view of the

minority of his Parliament mentioning the democratic deficit of TTIP. He also stressed that many

local administrations opposed these agreements. Ms Oudekki LOONE, Estonian

Riigikogu,

expressed her gratitude to Ms GEORGE and invited everyone to refrain from optimistic messages.

For her, the TTIP was about making life easier for multinationals. Mr KOURAKIS stressed how

every day social unrest was growing. He affirmed that for SMEs the benefits of the agreement

would be minimal, while there would no longer be any obstacle for the growth of multinationals. He

stated that under the proposed framework they would no longer be accountable.

Ms Idoia VILLANUEVA, Spanish

Senado,

pointed to clear signs of the growing distrust in the EU

project amidst the trouble experienced by the transatlantic trade agreements. Mr Marc ANGEL,

Luxembourg

Chambre des Députés,

considered the TTIP a process facing a slow death. Mr

PRETZELL expressed his adhesion to the views of Ms GEORGE and thanked her for her work. Mr

Igor PIMENOVS, Latvian

Saeima,

wondered if the TTIP could really contribute to the

competitiveness of SMEs, and if it could have beneficial influence for EU Member States. A final

critique came from Mr Gerard CRAUGHWELL, Irish

Houses of the Oireachtas,

who condemned

the process of negotiations initiated by faceless people. He indicated that the EU agriculture could

be destroyed because of the agreement. He also stressed the limitations of access to the reading

rooms.

In the final response to all interventions, Ms TURAN stressed that norms that were under

discussion had immediate implications for the lives of all. She acknowledged that trade agreements

were very important, especially those with US and Canada and underlined that the EU had to seize

the opportunity to strengthen its values. Although recognising the US as very important partners,

she recalled the equal importance of other partners and other international norms like the ones of

ILO. Finally, Ms TURAN agreed that the European Commission had a mandate, but insisted on

Parliaments’ duty to always take a good look at the content of negotiations. Balanced trade

agreements were the objective of the Union, according to her.

Ms HÜBNER recalled the procedure that had led to the mandate. She recalled that all EU actors

were involved and reminded the national Parliaments of their obligation to scrutinise their

governments when the mandate was being defined. She praised the ICS which would be composed

by judges appointed by the parties and she rejected the idea that the right to regulate was under

threat.

Mr HOUBEN expressed his appreciation for the rich and deep debate. He stressed that it was

important to define together how relations with national Parliaments would be structured in the

future as far as trade was concerned. He recalled the looming adjudication of the EU Court of

Justice concerning the competences in the field of trade. He recalled the legal framework as

indicated by the treaties according to which the main responsibility in terms of scrutiny was the EP.

Finally, Ms GEORGE also expressed her appreciation for the quality of the discussion and the

alertness of the national Parliaments.

5. Meeting of the Chairpersons of COSAC

The Chair informed that all delegations had received a table with the original draft text of the

contributions circulated on 31 October 2016, the amendments submitted by delegations before the

meeting, a modified compromise text following the Troika's meeting the day before, as well as new

amendments submitted by the deadline of 12pm that day. A discussion as to the procedure of

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examining the amendments and as to whether each of these should have been discussed and put to a

vote followed. In this context, the Chair reiterated the guidance that had already been given by the

Presidency according to which only amendments that were resubmitted on the modified

compromise text by noon were going to be examined. The guidance was accepted as a compromise

by the delegations. Following an animated debate and voting in cases of controversy, an amended

text of the draft Contribution of the LVI COSAC was agreed.

As to the letter from Mr CHITI, the Chair reiterated that it would be difficult for any national

Parliament to organise such a visit outside the territory of its own country. He proposed that the

Italian Parliament organise such a visit, which could be administratively supported by the COSAC

Secretariat, clarifying that the latter could provide e-mail contacts. In response, Mr ROMANO

acknowledged that it was not feasible to organise such a visit under the Slovak Presidency.

6. Session 4: ‘2016: Energy Union’s “year of delivery” ’

Keynote speaker: Mr Maroš ŠEFČOVIČ, Vice-President of the European Commission for Energy

Union

Panellists: Ms Danielle AUROI, Chair of the European affairs Committee of the French

Assemblée

nationale,

Mr Kalle PALLING, Chair of the European Affairs Committee,

Estonian Riigikogu,

António COSTA SILVA, Member of the European Affairs Committee, Portuguese

Assembleia da

República

Moderator: Ms Zuzana GABRI�½OVÁ, Editor-in-chief of Euractiv.sk

Addressing the LVI COSAC, Mr Maroš ŠEFČOVIČ, Vice-President of the EU Commission, hailed

the new energy being poured into the partnership with national Parliaments, citing more than 400

visits and meetings with national Chambers. The Energy Union was built on concrete proposals that

required implementation at the national level, and this was a process that could be facilitated by

national Parliaments.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ welcomed the Paris ratification and agreement, thanks to European efforts in the

fight against climate change, adding that European diplomacy had helped make this possible. He

noted that the fact that reserved countries like China and the US proceeded with ratification much

earlier than expected was also very positive.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ referred to the proposal to lower greenhouse gas emission from non-ETS sectors

like transport, and talked about how to reduce low-carbon mobility in Member States, by working

closely with cities and mayors who had proved themselves useful allies in this regard. This had

resulted in a global covenant of mayors: more than 7,000 high representatives of cities working

together.

The Vice-President stressed the importance of energy security, which was why it was the first pillar

of the Energy Union. In this regard, he referred to legislation on security of supply; a new strategy

for Liquid Gas; efforts towards efficient heating and cooling systems; as well as more transparency

in commercial contracts and inter-governmental agreements.

Solidarity was another important aspect, and Mr ŠEFČOVIČ appealed for stronger regional

cooperation in times of emergency, with contingency plans in place, and welcomed efforts to come

up with ways how the regions could help each other in such situations. This solidarity had to be

manifest to ensure a smooth energy transition so that people struck by energy poverty were not

forgotten.

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Mr ŠEFČOVIČ briefly described some of the elements of this “jumbo package”, starting firstly

with energy efficiency and new standards by which to measure the energy performance of buildings

whereby smart buildings were to be part of this new economic structure and transformation in

Europe; smart financing for smart buildings, linked to the European Fund for Strategic Investment,

and offered to all those who would like to restructure buildings. Secondly, he mentioned eco-design

and eco-buildings, which were bound to lead to huge savings. Thirdly, he referred to the package

concerning new electricity market design, with renewables better integrated into the system and a

regional and close-border approach adopted, linked with a new directive on renewables and a new

role of Agency for the Cooperation of Energy Regulators (ACER). This, he said, was the agenda for

the end of the year.

On the other hand, 2017 marked the year of implementation: the year in which each government

was to work on energy governance and climate plans, and discussions on how they wanted to fit in

this energy union and respect the commitments signed up for in Paris. Mr ŠEFČOVIČ summarised

the upcoming year as basically the coordination of 27 energy plans.

The moderator, Ms Zuzana GABRI�½OVÁ, Editor-in-chief of Euractiv.sk, welcomed the panellists,

and invited them to talk about the most pressing issues in the area of energy and climate in their

respective countries.

The first panellist, Ms Danielle AUROI, French

Assemblée nationale,

referred to the COP 22

conference taking place in Marrakech to which she was attending. She said that, while the EU

shaped the decision making in Paris, she wanted to see more solidarity and integration at the EU

level. Ms AUROI stressed that the EU was the leader in the global fight against climate change, and

lauded the added value of joint European steps and the several priorities of the EU energy policy. It

was important to ensure an energy system which was more efficient and yet resulted in less

pollution; reduce the carbon footprint; integrate the energy market; and to have a transition to

alternative and renewable energy sources in a more efficient manner. To this end, Ms AUROI stated

that the EU had to increase its investing. Turning her attention to Parliaments of third countries, Ms

AUROI was pleased that the Indian delegation had been convinced to sign COP 21.

The following panellist, Mr PALLING said that the EU had to become connected, open and smart

for a competitive Europe. This would bring new growth and opportunity to business with a well-

functioning energy union. The latter could not do without free market and quality connections,

however. Mr PALLING admitted that efficient energy security and use of resources were not easy

to achieve, but were the key to success, as were digital solutions and the greater involvement of

consumers.

Mr PALLING continued by recalling that Tallin was taking over the Presidency from Malta, and it

intended to put focus on energy issues, including an integrated energy market, investments and

energy interconnections to eliminate energy islands and ensure supply. Mr PALLING called for a

wider choice for consumers by opening energy markets, as was the case in Estonia, which also

provided cheaper energy solutions when compared to other Member States. Referring to efforts

toward establishing an interconnected market in Estonia, Mr PALLING said that Estonia had

achieved a lot for the benefit of the country, but also for the region and the EU as a whole, citing

cables between Finland and Estonia, the Baltic connector, and a similar connection with Latvia as

examples. Mr PALLING stressed that an interconnected energy market should be on everybody’s

agenda.

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The final panellist, Mr António COSTA SILVA, Portuguese

Assembleia da República,

said that

talking about energy meant talking also about social justice and peace in Europe, and that energy

was a crucial precondition for peace, the importance of which was often forgotten. Mr COSTA

SILVA said the energy union was important for security and economic growth, and helped in the

fight against climate change, providing important coordination and balancing out the energy market,

and making Europe stronger and more independent, while also increasing its influence in the fight

against fossil fuels and promoting renewable energy sources.

Mr COSTA SILVA said Portugal had achieved a lot in this regard, increasing the share of

renewables to 20% in 2015. Nevertheless, the overall objective was much higher and more

ambitious. The country was now trying to make use of solar and hydro energy. Portugal also

increased its export of energy from 3 to 7%, mainly to Spain. Mr COSTA SILVA said it was

important to improve connections with Spain and improve the energy grid, noting however that the

surplus energy not exported to other markets meant high storage costs for the country. Mr COSTA

SILVA said that interconnectivity was highly important since only 10% of produced energy was

being transported over the border, and in the case of Portugal this could only be done with Spain. It

was crucial to become less dependent on Russia, mainly in terms of natural gas, but there were no

specific deadlines for improving the interconnections on the peninsula.

In the ensuing debate, 24 speakers took the floor.

The importance of energy interconnectivity was stressed throughout the debate by a number of

Members, while energy security, and the need to ensure a guaranteed, cheap, safe and secure energy

supply, was also a recurrent issue mentioned by several speakers, including Mr Bojan KEKEC,

Slovenian

Državni svet;

Mr Rainer ROBRA, German

Bundesrat;

Mr Christian PETRY, German

Bundestag;

and Ms BIRCHALL. The latter also called for a decrease in dependence on unstable and

unpredictable third countries.

In this regard, Mr Angelos VOTSIS, Cypriot

Vouli ton Antiprosopon,

suggested tapping the

potential of natural gas resources inside the EU, and both he and Mr CHARAKOPOULOS

welcomed the possibility of Cyprus becoming a regional energy hub. Mr VOTSIS additionally

referred to violations of Cyprus’ exclusive economic zone and to harassment of hydrocarbon

prospection by Turkey and invited the EU to intervene in order to prevent a violation of

international law and unnecessary tension in the Eastern Mediterranean region.

Gazprom was also brought up during the debate by Mr MADISON, who called for sanctions against

the company, and Mr Michal STASINSKI, Polish

Sejm,

who called it a political tool in the hands of

Russian leadership to leverage Russian policy interests in the EU.

Mr STASINSKI, along with Mr Domagoj Ivan MILOŠEVIĆ, Croatian

Hrvatski sabor,

highlighted

the importance of investing in and taking full advantage of energy storage.

A number of Members talked about efforts towards a cleaner economy. Ms KLOC said

decarbonisation should not be left as an ideological project on the margins, and Mr SCHENNACH

said energy efficiency had to be given greater importance, given its immense impact on the

economy, and went on to highlight the importance of e-mobility. The need for renewable sources

was referred to by some speakers, with Mr SCHENNACH and Mr MILOŠEVIĆ identifying solar

energy and hydro energy, respectively. Finally, Ms Asa ROMSON, Swedish

Riksdag,

said Sweden

wanted to see more bio-economy in the energy union, while also noting the importance of smart

grids.

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Mr Piotr APEL, Polish

Sejm,

contributed to this subject from another point of view, urging the EU

and its Member States to sign international agreements which proposed greener measures on the

global scale, and thus ensure that trading partners adopt similar measures.

A couple of speakers, including Mr Zoltán TESSELY, Hungarian

Országgyűlés,

referred to the

special needs and characteristics of different countries, in particular those on the periphery. In this

vein, Mr Arto PIRTTILAHTI, Finnish

Eduskunta,

and Mr Piotr WACH, Polish

Senat,

both asked

for recognition of forestry in counterbalancing emissions. Some Polish Members (Ms KLOC, Mr

WACH, and Mr APEL) stressed Poland’s dependence on the coal industry and the jobs that it

created.

Social issues and questions of fairness and energy justice were also touched upon by some

Members, with Mr KOURAKIS, and Mr António CARDOSO, Portuguese

Assembleia da

República,

both calling for solidarity, whereas Mr Franc TRČEK, Slovenian

Državni zbor,

explicitly referred to the fight against energy poverty and price dumping.

With regard to countries outside the Union, Ms TAŞKESENLİOĞLU said Turkey had great

potential thanks to its geopolitical advantage and played an important role in the transportation of

energy throughout the region, whereas Mr Dominik TARCZYNSKI, Polish

Sejm,

accused

Germany, which, he stressed, bought energy from Russia, of setting inacceptable policies in the

field of energy.

In her replies, Ms AUROI referred to energy injustices and said that subsidies to assist in building

insulation and transition were in place in France and were important to ease the transition. She

asked the Commission whether any measures against price dumping were in place.

Ms AUROI said that certain Member States wanted to have direct negotiations with Russia and

wanted even more Russian natural gas to come to Europe: a more integrated market would enable

the EU to answer the demand in a joint and united voice.

Ms AUROI asked the Commission how much money was needed to invest in energy union, and

how much would be saved thanks to smart buildings.

As for renewable energy sources, she was concerned because some sources were preferred over

others, and sometimes this applied pressure on certain sources. Ms AUROI also referred to the

need to cooperate on carbon economy in order to come up with an attractive price of carbon in order

to support fulfilment of targets.

Mr COSTA SILVA said it was clear that Europe spoke with a multitude of voices and this was a

good sign as it showed a diversification of points of views. He added that one could not adapt

everything to everyone though, and common ground had to be found. In this regard, it was

necessary to adopt a long list of measures guaranteeing energy efficiency throughout the EU.

Mr COSTA SILVA warned against a one-size-fits-all solution, proposing instead measures which

fit different regions with their specific characteristics.

Mr PALLING said that investments in interconnections should be taken care of by the EU and then

this would invite private investment. He stressed that when all the states were connected together,

the gas and energy market would become wider, and this meant economies of scale and cheaper

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prices. He expressed disbelief at how the EU was not putting a penalty on Gazprom after certain

things (like closing supply) and going against rules and procedures. He claimed that Russia and

Gazprom were using energy as a weapon and this had to be punished. He described Nord Stream 2

as a project to cut out some countries, and insisted that the EU should not let that happen.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ said France was serving as a good example and inspiration when it came to

transition to renewable sources. The EU needed to have appropriate interconnections - an internal

energy market to allow energy to flow freely through Member States, and thanked Estonia and

Baltic States for their cooperative efforts. He said it was important that we were creating a market

between Nordic and Baltic countries which could serve as a model for the rest of Europe.

Referring to Mr COSTA SILVA’s comments on energy poverty, Mr ŠEFČOVIČ admitted it was of

the utmost importance to find a proper balance through energy efficiency and energy design

whereby consumer could be empowered, but added that the onus mostly lay on the national

authorities. These also had to prepare a new generation with new skills with which to enter this new

energy market.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ also referred to the Commission’s efforts to ensure that Caspian gas was in Europe

before 2020, and promised more innovative carbon capture storage methods. As for energy

efficiency, he claimed that a 1% gain in energy efficiency translated into 2.6% less imported gas.

Turning his attention to Chinese competition and Chinese dumping, Mr ŠEFČOVIČ stressed that

Europe needed to be better equipped for this new world: trade defence instruments allowing the EU

to act much faster had been on the table for three years, and this process had to be sped up.

On Gazprom, Mr ŠEFČOVIČ said the EU was investigating it for some time, but admitted that it

was not an easy matter. Nevertheless, he identified three areas under investigation.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ agreed that Nord Stream 2 was an extremely polarising project, but it was difficult

to comment without all parameters and details available. He stressed that preserving the transit

route through Ukraine remained a top priority. Nonetheless, he stressed that such project, once

proposed, would have to respect all EU laws and core principles.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ hailed the newly found wealth in gas reserves in Cyprus, which could serve as a

fuel to a smoother energy transition. Referring to Finland, Sweden, he said bio-mass was important

for Nordic countries, and looked forward for ways to use bio-mass in a sustainable way, in

particular by working with the UN for a more scientifically based assessment, especially when it

came to how to calculate the impact of forests in fighting climate change.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ was not as pleased with the energy cost being 3-4 times higher than the US, and

blamed the system of low wholesale prices but high consumer prices, adding that part of the debate

on energy transition should be about how to tackle this problem.

Mr ŠEFČOVIČ touched briefly on the reform of the ETS system and the preparation of the car

industry for E-mobility amidst strong calls coming from the Netherlands and Germany in favour of

electric modes of transportation.

Turning to the US elections, Mr ŠEFČOVIČ said it was important to find a solution to climate

change on a global level, and was optimistic because even big businesses supported this fight.

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Concluding, Mr ŠEFČOVIČ said the energy union was really about the new economy and how to

create the new backbone for the economy of the 21st century. He was looking forward to visit

national Parliaments and go through the energy policy with Members of Parliament.

7. Session V: ‘Securing the external borders of the EU in the context of irregular migration’

Keynote speakers: Mr Robert KALIŇÁK, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior of the

Slovak Republic

Panellists: Mr Richárd HÖRCSIK, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs, Hungarian

Országgyűlés,

Mr Lucio ROMANO, Vice-Chair of the Committee on European Affairs Policies,

Italian

Senato della Repubblica

Moderator: Ms Katarína CSÉFALVAYOVÁ, Vice-Chair of the European Affairs Committee of the

Slovak

Národná rada

Opening his speech, Mr Robert KALIŇÁK, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior of the

Slovak Republic, made reference to the period when Slovakia together with other countries were

joining the Schengen zone. For the successful external border protection, according to the Deputy

Prime Minister, it was important to defend internal security within the Schengen area and to

actively prevent illegal migration. To achieve this, Mr KALIŇÁK identified two key elements. The

first one concerned technical considerations and human resources. The second one had to do with

high quality readmission agreements and here Mr KALIŇÁK stressed the need to cultivate sound

relations with third countries, referring to the re-admission agreement with Ukraine as an example

of such agreement, which worked perfectly.

A successful return policy could work as the main tool when fighting illegal migration and serve as

a demotivation for illegal migrants, he continued, explaining that those who were not subject to

persecution would think twice before travelling if they knew that a good return policy was in place

and that they would be returned back to their country.

Mr KALIŇÁK also emphasised the need to have a top quality asylum policy, and recalled cases

when a change in political stance in a third country led to automatic asylum status to certain people

in that country, which then caused additional linked problems as they later came in great numbers to

the European countries.

Mr KALIŇÁK questioned the current practice, which seemed to favour those who could afford the

trip to Europe leaving the most vulnerable behind. Furthermore, this did not augur well for the

recovery of countries like Syria in the longer term. Finally, he also stressed the need to distinguish

between migrants and pinpoint real asylum seekers.

Finally, with regard to the integration process and past mistakes made, Mr KALIŇÁK said that this

was far from perfect in some European cities, which were indiscriminately facing large number of

migrants.

The moderator, Ms Katarína CSÉFALVAYOVÁ, introduced the panels and asked for their

comments on the keynote speech delivered by Mr KALIŇÁK, in particular referring to European

cooperation in this field, and future steps to be taken.

Mr Richárd HÖRCSIK, Chair of the Committee on European Affairs of the Hungarian

Országgyűlés,

said that Brexit and migration were the two main challenges currently faced by the

EU. These would challenge the stability of the whole union if no common priorities were set, as

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countries still had to cope with the unprecedented pressure. Mr HÖRCSIK said that Member States

with large sections of land or sea borders should be given special status and have their specific

needs considered. He welcomed the protection of the Bulgarian border with Turkey, but noted that a

common framework about interoperation of migration should had been created. Furthermore, it

should had been clarified whether the Union was dealing with a temporary phenomenon or a

permanent one which would last for decades. Mr HÖRCSIK further noted that Hungary had spent

60 million euros in the last one and a half year on border control. He stated that the protection of the

common external border should be regarded as a matter of common concern, and that Hungary

considered the protection of its external border as a symbol of and exercise in solidarity.

The following panellist, Mr Lucio ROMANO, Vice-Chair of the Committee on European Affairs

Policies of the Italian

Senato,

said the Union and its Member States needed to focus not only on

external borders as this was insufficient, but also on international diplomatic access to countries of

origin on the level of development and financial aid in order to secure economic and social comfort

for the people and encourage them to stay in their own countries. According to Mr ROMANO, it

was about limiting the inflow in order to guarantee democratic principles being safeguarded in the

countries of origin. He invited colleagues to visit the refugee camps and witness first-hand the

desperate situation, while also stressing that the issue of unaccompanied minors represented a

serious challenge in its own right.

Mr ROMANO asserted that the UN needed to be more involved; and that it must work closely with

the interim government in Libya, and ensure more discussions with international partners. He added

that migration flows must be controlled at the start of the journey, and that solidarity from other EU

countries was needed. Mr ROMANO stressed the fact that migrants invested not just money, but

also hope in EU, and it was therefore imperative to interact and put in place a major level of

integration. Finally, Mr ROMANO pointed out that migration was also a huge burden on the budget

of the hosting country.

The ensuing debate saw 32 speakers taking the floor.

A predominant and recurring point continuously emphasised by most speakers was the management

of borders, and in this regard a number of suggestions were proposed. Ms MÉLOT and Mr

Tomislav SAUCHA, Croatian

Hrvatski sabor,

highlighted the importance of securing the external

borders of the Union. Ms MÉLOT also suggested increasing the cooperation of enforcement

agencies, and, on a similar note, Mr Veli YÜKSEL, Belgian

Chambre des représentants,

emphasised the importance of exchange of information, as well as the use of EUROPOL.

While Ms Marietta KARAMANLI, French

Assemblée nationale,

also stressed the significance of

proper border management, she also underlined the importance of having an EU-Turkish

agreement, whereas Mr Maximos CHARAKOUPOULOS, Greek

Vouli ton Ellinon,

said it was

critical to put pressure on Turkey so that it respect the agreement with the EU. On the other hand,

Ms TAŞKESENLİOĞLU pointed to the unfair share of the burden carried by Turkey, while also

alluding to deepened cooperation with the EU and commitments to control the migration flow.

Solidarity and enhanced cooperation was another point that featured heavily during the discussion,

with Ms KARAMANLI, Mr SAUCHA and Ms KAVVADIA explicitly expressing their support for

solidarity. Mr SAUCHA also appealed for assistance to the countries of origin, in order to tackle the

problem at its source. Ms MÉLOT made her case for increased cooperation and joint effort between

Member States in tackling the crisis, while also pointing out that the European Parliament should be

engaged in the ongoing discussions.

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Mr SAUCHA and Ms Dušica STOJKOVIĆ, Serbian

Narodna Skupština,

both emphasised the

importance of keeping the Balkan route closed. Mr SAUCHA, together with Ms KAVVADIA, Mr

CHARAKOUPOULOS and Mr Anastasios KOURAKIS, Greek

Vouli ton Ellinon,

also noted the

importance of the coastal guard in protecting external maritime borders. The latter also pointed out

the restrictions faced by coastal Member States on maritime borders and law, as well as the

humanitarian dimension of the crisis.

Other issues brought up during the debate concerned the costs incurred by Member States afflicted

by the migratory pressures and the sales of firearms which exacerbated these pressures (Ms

KARAMANLI), the radicalisation in Member States and possible return of radicalised citizens from

Syria (Mr YÜKSEL) and the importance of distinguishing between different types of migrants, and

especially between refugees fleeing war and persecution and economic migrants (Mr MADISON).

Ms Francisca PERREIRA, Portuguese

Assembleia da República,

insisted on the EU dimension of

any action aimed at protecting external borders. She stressed that the EU had to give power to the

agency and insure the continuity of Schengen. Mr Angelos VOTSIS, Cyprus

Vouli ton

antiprosopon,

underlined that one had to disconnect terrorism from migration, because the two

phenomena were not necessarily linked. He insisted that more integrated efforts were needed to

fight irregular immigration and trafficking, as well as the roots of the phenomena. Saluting the

decision on the coast guards, he invoked an immediate implementation of the joint EU-Turkey

statement. Mr BANA declared that the EU was under unprecedented migratory pressure and that

the EU had to prevent terrorists from abusing the right to protection for asylum seekers. He

concluded claiming that Hungary had taken the right decision by building a wall to protect the EU

external borders. Mr Svetlen TANCHEV, Bulgarian

Narodno sabranie,

underlined the high

pressure that Bulgaria was facing on the EU external borders. He stressed that, though not a

member of the Schengen area, Bulgaria had acted as a

de facto

member. He added that his country

was actively supporting the entry-exit system.

In his reply, Mr HÖRCSIK underlined that one of the most crucial problems for the EU was

protecting the external borders, which implied the question of solidarity and security. According to

him, the solution was to be found in a joint effort implicating origin, transit and destination

countries. He also appealed for a stronger effort of the EU as far as the external dimensions of the

problem. He affirmed that the scarce implementation of Council decisions concerning relocation

and resettlement for the benefit of Italy in Greece was a sign of the inadequate nature of the

measures.

Mr ROMANO underlined the cultural diversities, disputes and divides that the issue of migration

had demonstrated. Nevertheless, he said he was sure that it was possible to find a joint approach. To

that end, he insisted that it was necessary to change the methodology in facing the problem. He

stated that barriers and fences would have no effect on the phenomena we were facing. He insisted

on the need to developing partnership with countries like Senegal or Nigeria as the only way to

solve the problem, which was a global problem, at the origin.

Mr KALIŇÁK replied to the first interventions by assuring that he understood how crucial it was to

share the burden and expenditures that countries like Italy and Greece were sustaining. He insisted

on the need to help each other in an effective way and stressed that the current system of relocation

had failed. He expressed the opinion that the EU needed to have a frank discussion to find a

functioning model of relocation and it would need to be supported by all Member States. He

regretted that on some serious issues a lot of time had been wasted before coming to action, like it

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had happened with the PNR. On the other hand, he praised the timely initiative of the EP,

Commission and Council on the coast guard. He stressed that serious gaps were still affecting not

only communication among intelligences of the Member States, but also communication between

intelligence and police of the same states. Concerning the origins of the flows of illegal migration,

he condemned the military interventions in the Middle East area. Finally, he stressed the importance

of seeing Schengen as a continuity, a compact where no isolation could be tolerated. He concluded

that the accession of all Member States was a priority for the security of the EU.

In the second round of interventions, Mr Pol van den DRIESSCHE, Belgian

Sénat,

indicated that

the readmission agreements had improved the situation as far as the flows of migrants were

concerned. In spite of that, he advocated the need to strengthen the EU control capacity and the

need to pursue programmes for the integration of refugees. Ms BIRCHALL stressed the importance

of securing the EU external borders and indicated the essential role of FRONTEX. She also

underlined the Romania and Bulgaria’s role.

Mr Detlef SEIF, German

Bundestag,

put the accent on the global dimension of the migration crisis.

He advocated a more efficient use of the EU resources and the need to target countries of origin and

tackle the problem at its roots. He insisted that EU funds had to be allocated to support the decisions

taken concerning migrants and refugees. Mr Dominik TARCZYNSKI, Polish

Sejm,

spoke of floods

and avalanches of migrants submerging the EU and the need to stop the crisis. Mr AZMANI

underlined the need to respect one another and to try to understand those countries that had

difficulties in accepting migrants. He stressed that it was necessary to avoid increasing nationalism.

On the other side, he called for understanding and support towards countries that faced the highest

migratory pressures. He indicated that agreements with African countries could be of help. Mr

Reiner ROBRA, German

Bundesrat,

recognised that Germany was fully dependent on the

neighbouring EU countries as far as security of borders was concerned. He invoked higher level of

efficiency in the EU return policy. Mr Francis ZAMMIT DIMECH, Maltese

Kamra-tad-Deputati,

regretted that securing the external borders of the EU was presented as the only aspect of the

migration crisis and pointed to many other aspects of the issue, including relocation. He condemned

not sharing the burden and the responsibilities entailed. He invoked in this respect a policy

reflecting the EU values and an EU without curtains. Ms LOONE denounced the hypocritical

approach to an economic phenomenon like migration and pointed to the fact that the origin of the

crisis was the corporates interests benefitting from low salaries. Mr Christian PETRY, German

Bundestag,

acknowledged the importance of external borders control and called for adequate

funding and personnel. He also accused the countries opposing relocation and resettlement of not

making enough efforts to retain the migrants. Mr HÜBNER spoke of a civilisation conflict with

some 45 millions of people from Africa trying to come to the EU. He accused the EU of inviting

them to come by financing rescue operations and resettlements. Mr BENEŠÍK stressed the need to

fight traffickers that made huge amount of money with the migrants. He called on all to do their

utmost to keep Schengen alive and unified. Mr PETREA stressed the need to secure the best

cooperation in data and information sharing among the EU. He renewed the request for immediate

access of Romania to Schengen and called for a stronger support to FRONTEX. Mr GRANT

regretted that the Member States had left two (Italy and Greece) to face alone the problem. He also

insisted on the efforts made by Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon. Mr PRETZELL welcomed the change

of attitude of the German Government as far as the migration crisis was concerned. Mr Atis

LEJIŅŠ, Latvian

Saeima,

regretted that the newly created agency had not been established earlier to

prevent the current crisis for fear of losing sovereignty. He stressed the need of readmission

agreements with countries not only from Africa.

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In his final reply, Mr HÖRCSIK referred to an existing clear strong will to find a common solution

for the current crisis. He invited the Commission to take further steps for a secure EU and invited

everyone to look for solutions in the countries of origins and in the countries at war.

Mr ROMANO recognised that the positions were different, but welcomed that the EU Member

States were debating and at the EU level were building bridges, which was the duty of leaders and

of all humanity. He stressed that the solution depended on a bigger show of goodwill from all and a

fair share also of the negative consequences of being members of the EU.

Mr KALIŇÁK saluted the importance of the debate. He stressed the need to fight against abuse of

the right to access and protection as the crucial way to an effective migration policy. For him, only a

successful return policy could ensure that the EU had a functioning asylum policy for those who

were really persecuted. He also listed the prevention of criminality, responsibility in the external

action and readmission policy, like the one that Spain had enacted, as priorities for the EU in the

field.

8. Adoption of the Contribution of the LVI COSAC

Mr BLAHA mentioned that the first draft of the LVI Contribution, which had been sent to the

delegations before the meeting, and the amendments submitted to the text were discussed by the

Troika. The Presidency, following the Troika meeting, submitted a revised compromise text

allowing the possibility to table new amendments. A modified text was presented and approved by

the Chairpersons the day before.

The text of the Contribution of the LVI COSAC was adopted, as amended by the Chairpersons.

Mr BLAHA informed the delegations that two declarations had been submitted following approval

at the Chairpersons meeting. First, a declaration on recent earthquakes in Italy submitted by the

Italian

Senato della Repubblica,

which was open for signature by individual Members at the foyer

of the premises. Second, a declaration on the recent situation in Turkey, jointly submitted by the

German

Bundestag,

French

Assemblée nationale,

French

Sénat,

House of Lords,

Cyprus

Vouli

ton Antiprosopon,

Finnish

Eduskunta,

Swedish

Riksdag,

Greek

Vouli ton Ellinon,

Danish

Folketing,

Spanish

Cortes Generales,

Luxembourg

Chambres des représentants

and Italian

Senato della

Repubblica;

in relation to this, the delegations were asked to submit their intention to join the

declaration by email to the Presidency by the end of the day. The Chair stressed that only this

electronic form would be taken into consideration and therefore the list in the foyer for this

declaration should be disregarded.

Mr BLAHA gave the floor to Mr BUSUTTIL, who informed the delegations about the upcoming

COSAC Chairpersons’ meeting in Malta on 22-23 January 2017 and the LVII COSAC on 28-30

May 2017. A short video about the Maltese Presidency was screened.

Finally, Mr BLAHA thanked all the delegations for participating in the meeting, as well as the

meeting’s organisers.